1938-d/d 1,2 or 3???

[Guest]

Hello Fellow Collectors;

I thought that I might state right up front that this is my first post on ANY forum ... so please be gentle with me.

I recently purchased a PCGS 1938-D MS66RD on Ebay. While I was looking over the coin for the first time I couldn't help but notice that the coin had an obvious RPM. After further research I've narrowed the number of possible varieties down to three:

1938-D/D WEST RPM-001
1938-D/D WEST RPM-002
1938-D/D WEST RPM-003

I would ultimately like to send this coin back to PCGS to have the variety certified but I am unsure if PCGS will certify any varieties that are not listed on it's submission forms. Some time ago I sent them a 1955-S/S and paid to have the variety certified. They sent the coin back in a slab that only stated that it was a 'MINOR MINT MARK VARIETY'. If I send this coin in I want it to come back in slab that list it's specific variety ...

So ... could someone please advise me as to whether or not PCGS will assign variety attributes to coins that are not on it's submission form and if so do I need to list the exact/correct variety on the submission form in advance in order for them to do so?

Also I could use some help with trying to figure out which variety I do in fact have. I've posted the best pictures that I was able to take of the coin for you look over. And one last final request if I may be so bold ... Does anyone out there have any idea what this coin might be worth in it's MS66RD condition? I've searched the whole web over but couldn't find a 1938-D/D RPM 1,2 or 3 that was graded any higher than MS65 and was for sale.

Thanks in advance to any and all that help me get this worked out;

Sincerely

Sonia

I WAS ABLE TO CAPTURE ONE MORE DECENT PHOTO OF THE COIN AND HAVE ADDED IT THE LINE UP FOR YOU TO SCRUTINIZE.

[CCC]

First off welcome to the Forum. I beleive your coin 1938 S is the RPM #1.

[jcuve]

Welcome to the forum!

I lean toward 001 as well. That die has a CPG number (FS#: 1c-016.4), so PCGS may very well slab it - my question is it worth the fee to do it? Not sure this RPM is worth enough to warrant specific slabbing.

I would suggest using Coppercoins.com (and the CONECA variety index) and check markers to be certain of the RPM by way of markers and MM position.

EDIT: Can't be 001 as Bob pointed out MM is in the wrong place. Double check 002 as suggested...(and I wish I could run a strike through my text above)...

[RWBILLER]

welcome to LCR a great palce.
roger

[mustbebob]

It is not a 1938S David, although that just might be a typo. It is not 1938D RPM-001 or 003 either as the mint mark location is incorrect. In my opinion, this is 1938D RPM-002. As far as pricing for an MS66, I would say it is in the $50 - $60 range, but I have seen a couple go for a much higher price.

[CCC]

Bob, there is a more easterly tilt from the north. TY

It is not a 1938S David, although that just might be a typo. It is not 1938D RPM-001 or 003 either as the mint mark location is incorrect. In my opinion, this is 1938D RPM-002. As far as pricing for an MS66, I would say it is in the $50 - $60 range, but I have seen a couple go for a much higher price.

[mustbebob]

I don't know what you want me to say David. I gave you my opinion based on the photos. That's all I have to give.

[CCC]

It is what you say it is. I was looking at 38 S when I posted this.I still think it is the 001 due to the position of the MM. David

I was posted S should have been D. My mistake. David

I don't know what you want me to say David. I gave you my opinion based on the photos. That's all I have to give.

[pennies4pennies]

David join the club. I have done the same thing many of times. None of us are perfit. Look back at some of my post and you will see the same mistake many of times.

Frank

It is what you say it is. I was looking at 38 S when I posted this. David

I was posted S should have been D. My mistake. David

[eaxtellcoin]

I looked at pic #1 = that coin looks like RPM#2 as Bob Stated. I think Sonia photographed two different coins I.E. Pic #2 and #3 don't match #1's position. They appear to me as different coins. Sonia do you have a couple of matching slabs? May just be how the photo's were shot but they appear slightly different in position.

[sonyaonya]

I've was away on business for the past several days and had not been afforded the opportunity to check up on my post until just now. All I can say is WOW!

I guess I wasn't expecting such a overwhelming response to my questions. This is such a pleasant surprise. I am grateful and very humbled in knowing that some of the most respected people in the business have donated some of their very valuable time and knowledge in an attempt to help me out. For that, I thank one and all of you.

Now to try and answer some of your questions:
The reason that I thought it would be a good idea to have PCGS slab it was because I've never seen a PCGS slabbed RPM graded at ms66 or higher ever sell for anything under $100 on Teletrade...

As far as the pictures are concerned; No. They are not photos of two different coins. Now that I look closer at photos I can DEFINIATELY understand why you may have thought that to be the case but they are in fact photos of the same coin. I'll try and post a few more photos that are of better quality just as soon as I lose my jet lag.

Once again I want to sincerely thank all of you for taking some time out of your day to help me out. You gentlemen are truly a credit to the coin collecting community.

Sincerely;

Sonya

[celartu]

First welcome to this great and enjoyable 'forum and the experts are saying according to your thinking....

[kloccwork419]

Welcome. I agree with it being 1MM-002 on Coppercoins.

[lineop3]

Welcome to LCR Sonya and happy you had a safe trip back home.
I'm leaning towards rpm-002 because of the position of the mint mark.
What a nice first find and a hard to find rpm.

Aisha