transitional variety

[car10]

Sorry if you're tired of seeing it but it's my favorite since my 1989 RDV-005 was delisted by CONECA.:)

[Shingpumps]

Is that the one that has the reverse of the 89?

[car10]

Yes it is. ICG MS64RD. The finest of only five known.(so far)

[Shingpumps]

Nice, I'm lookin for it. How did you know to look for it?

[car10]

I had seen it listed on the varietyvista website, started making the designers initials a point of focus on 1988 cents and just got lucky.

[car10]

Looks like Brefos found number six in NC.

[car10]

It was first discovered by Jeff Snow in Syracuse,NY and attributed by Dr. James Wiles of CONECA in the spring of 2007. An article appeared in the August 27th, 2007 issue of Coin World's Collector's Clearinghouse featuring this variety. A confirming piece was subsequently found by John Stubbs in Southern Maine. That piece was confirmed by Dr. Wiles. I found the third in the Boston area in September of 2007. I sent it to Dr. Wiles for attribution who in turn sent it it ICG for grading and encapsulation. It was returned to me conservatively graded as MS64RD. At about the same time Steven Bingham from Missouri found a similar version of the same variety with a Denver mint mark. Although I'm not aware of this coin being graded, I have seen detailed photos and it appears also to be mint-state or uncirculated. John Stubbs reportedly found a fourth Philadelphia coin. Patrick Gaughan found a fifth in Eastern Pennsylvania. Dr. Wiles confirmed it as a newly reported, second die for this variety. I'm not sure if that piece has been graded. John Stubbs then placed his original find(coin#2) for sale on ebay. It was an AU(about uncirculated) raw(uncertified) coin and sold for $157.55 to a bidder from California(e_kkm). On December 7th, 2007 Brent Foster from North Carolina posted photos of what appears to be a sixth Philadelphia example. From what I understand he has contacted Dr. Wiles concerning the attribution of his coin. In the near future we should find out if it is from the first, second or a new, third die for this variety. I'll update this thread as news updates are received.

[brefos77]

I'm sending mine off to Dr. Wiles in the morning. (Monday, Dec. 10th)
If everything goes well, I would like to get it slabbed. where is the best (and cheapest) place to do it? I've heard Dr. Wiles will probably grade it, but I want it to look something like car10's at the start of the thread.

Any help?

[car10]

ICG and CONECA have teamed up. ICG will slab CONECA attributed coins and will put CONECA's listing number and description on the label. I think Dr. Wiles will only attribute the variety confirming it is what it appears to be. I don't think he will grade the coin. In order to have it graded and encapsulated you would need him to forward it to ICG. The variety is such a recent discovery that it hasn't yet made it into the Cherrypicker's Guide and therefore is not yet recognized by NGC or PCGS. Besides ICG I think your next best alternative would therefore be ANACS. I'm not sure if they would recognize the variety or not. I also am not sure what they would charge to attribute, grade and encapsulate it. I do know that it cost me $41 to have Dr. Wiles attribute the coin, forward it to ICG and have ICG ship it back to me. I did, however, need to fill out and sign an ICG submission form and enclose it with the coin I sent to Dr. Wiles. You can get the form online or you can call ICG and they will mail you one. You can get more info at the following link to the CONECA website. Good Luck!
http://www.conecaonline.org/attribution_services.html

[car10]

I'm sending mine off to Dr. Wiles in the morning. (Monday, Dec. 10th)
If everything goes well, I would like to get it slabbed. where is the best (and cheapest) place to do it? I've heard Dr. Wiles will probably grade it, but I want it to look something like car10's at the start of the thread.

Any help?

bre...what did you decide to do? Did you send it? Areyou having it graded too?

[brefos77]

I sent them to Dr. Wiles on Monday, Dec. 10th. I really can't afford to get it slabbed/graded at the moment, but if it makes it into the cherrypicker's guide or something like that with a good premium, then I'll definitely do it ASAP. No offense to anyone else, but I hope nobody finds anymore, 6 is enough!

[Brad]

I actually think that finding more with raise the price. The more that are found, the more popularity the coin will have. Value is a function of supply and demand. Right now there is a extremely limited supply, but also low demand. Car10 has been doing a lot to popularize the variety, but he cannot do it alone. It will be interesting to see what happen over the next year or two.

[brefos77]

Hmmm, maybe you're right. If people believe they have a chance of finding one, then they may start wanting one, making it a popular coin to hunt down. I'm just glad to own one myself!

[Brad]

There is no doubt that it is better to own one, than not own one. I added 1988 & 1988D to my mental list of modern coins to inspect. That list is getting long... and I haven't found anything yet.

[car10]

Brad is right. We want some more to be found. I've been told by a dealer in California, Sam Luke's Rare Coins, that there are a couple dozen known examples of the famous 1969-S DDO. He has personally sold many of them. We need more than a handful to be found to make it a popular variety. I am fairly confident that it will happen. There have been an average of about one found per month since the initial discovery. I'm liking that rate. If it becomes popular enough maybe we can convince Brad to list it on his top 50. We'll need to work on it though, he still has reservations.

[car10]

Car10 has been doing a lot to popularize the variety, but he cannot do it alone. It will be interesting to see what happen over the next year or two.

You heard him guys...talk it up.
AgCollector, brefos77, Snowman, Patrick and Steven don't be shy.:crazy:

[brefos77]

As soon as I found it, I went on every coin forum I could find! As soon as I get confirmation back from Dr. Wiles, I'll be updating everyone on those forums.

2 Questions:

1. Do you think that there are others who don't have the internet that has found one and not been to any forums? Jeff Snow (Snowman), the first one to report it, had it published in Coin World issue Aug 27, 2007 page 90. They may have read it, but not sent it to be authenticated by anyone.

2. When does the new Cherrypicker's Guide come out?

[car10]

2 Questions:

1. Do you think that there are others who don't have the internet that has found one and not been to any forums? Jeff Snow (Snowman), the first one to report it, had it published in Coin World issue Aug 27, 2007 page 90. They may have read it, but not sent it to be authenticated by anyone.

2. When does the new Cherrypicker's Guide come out?

1) I doubt it. If they don't have internet access I'd be surprised if they're looking for it.

2) I don't know when the new(fifth edition) will be coming out. I would be very interested to learn the answer to that question.

[car10]

I sent them to Dr. Wiles on Monday, Dec. 10th. I really can't afford to get it slabbed/graded at the moment, but if it makes it into the cherrypicker's guide or something like that with a good premium, then I'll definitely do it ASAP. No offense to anyone else, but I hope nobody finds anymore, 6 is enough!
Dr. Wiles is quick you should have your coin back in no time. I know it feels like forever when you're waiting but don't sweat it, you'll have it safely in your hands soon. I've heard a completely different story about one of CONECA's World Coin attributers though. You've been warned. :tdown:

[brefos77]

I figured it would be a while anyway because I'm sure Mr. Wiles is a busy man. it may even be sooner since I'm not getting it graded at the moment.

[Brad]

2. When does the new Cherrypicker's Guide come out?


Considering how long it took them to publish Volume II, who knows?

Here is another question: What is Dr. Wiles a Doctor of?

[car10]

Considering how long it took them to publish Volume II, who knows?

Here is another question: What is Dr. Wiles a Doctor of?
Ph.D. in New Testament Textual Studies from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas

[Brad]

I was wondering, since I was fairly sure that majoring in coin collection was not an option at my college.

[car10]

I was wondering, since I was fairly sure that majoring in coin collection was not an option at my college.
Wouldn't that be a dream come true.

[Steven]

You heard him guys...talk it up.
AgCollector, brefos77, Snowman, Patrick and Steven don't be shy.:crazy:

David,
I have been watching and you have been doing a lot to get the information out about this transitional die. I see that several have been found from the Philly mint but only one from Denver at this point. With at least one sale for the 88P there is at least a starting point for the value of that one. I guess I will still hold onto the 88D a while longer and see what happens. I was expecting the 88P to sell for a bit more though. I had a guess of about twice the sale price. Never can outguess those auctions though.
Steven

[car10]

It just needs to become more widely recognized. That is why I have been doing my best to generate interest. In addition to what you have seen in my posts I have also been doing a little work behind the scenes. I have sent some emails to people who may be able to generate a lot more publicty for the variety. J.T. Stanton among others. If we don't do it, who will? It is in our own best interests to get as many people as possible to start looking for it. The more popular it becomes the more demand there will be for it. Especially in your case where you hold the only known Dever example. I suggest we do what we can where we can. Can you post the nice photos you have of your Denver specimen here? And when you decide to sell, please let me know the details. I'd love to own a matching set.

[Steven]

1988D RDV-006 Transitional Die Variety. Only one known at this time. I have not had this coin certified but I did send it Dr. Wiles for attribution. It is listed with photos on coneca's site. http://varietyvista.com/1988DRDV006%20cent.htm
Steven

[brefos77]

Just a quick update:

Dr. Wiles e-mailed me today and said he was going to try to look at my coin by the end of the week, but it may be longer since the holidays are approaching.

[car10]

Just a quick update:

Dr. Wiles e-mailed me today and said he was going to try to look at my coin by the end of the week, but it may be longer since the holidays are approaching.

That sounds quite reasonable. Very nice of him to communicate with you. You should feel blessed.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, or should I say, the "other side of the coin" there is a horror story I think everyone may want to read before mailing your coins to a stranger:

http://www.coppercoins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3020&sid=b64818917ebd8c28f67ece068c35738d

I had never had a problem but after reading this thread I would definately think long and hard about to whom I send my coins.

Brefos77, Just be glad you chose to send your coin to one of the "good guys".

[brefos77]

Oh yeah, I know he's busy (esp during the Holidays), I just wanted to update the situation. And I do feel blessed (and relieved) he let me know what was going on on his end also. Thanks for the bad attributer link, Car10. Hopefully it opened a few eyes for a few people!

[brefos77]

In trying to "advertise" the popularity of this coin, I posted it on another forum. All of you who have one ought to show off yours, too.

http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=18005

[brefos77]

Sigh...nothing in the mailbox from Dr. Wiles today. :(

[car10]

Anything today?

[brefos77]

:WVP-BS01: Nope...

I'm sure the holidays bumped him back, and of course he's got other coins to look at too, so I understand. But it's almost been a month and I miss my Lincoln! :sad:

[car10]

:WVP-BS01: Nope...

I'm sure the holidays bumped him back, and of course he's got other coins to look at too, so I understand. But it's almost been a month and I miss my Lincoln! :sad:
Hang in there buddy. I had to sign for mine when it came back from him. I hope they don't try to deliver it when you're not home.

[brefos77]

Car10, how did you attribute yours? Did you send it to Dr. Wiles, then had him send it to be graded and slabbed? I'm just getting mine verified at the moment, I can't afford the whole grade/slab thing right now. I wonder if I will still have to sign for a raw cent? Maybe he got in the Christmas spirit and had it slabbed for me...lol

[car10]

Car10, how did you attribute yours? Did you send it to Dr. Wiles, then had him send it to be graded and slabbed? I'm just getting mine verified at the moment, I can't afford the whole grade/slab thing right now. I wonder if I will still have to sign for a raw cent? Maybe he got in the Christmas spirit and had it slabbed for me...lol

I was referring to the '89 RDV-005 that he had originally attributed as a newly listed transitional variety before subsquently de-listing the variety. It was still a raw cent and I had to sign for it. The 1988 RDV-006 I sent to Dr. Wiles with a signed ICG submission form. He attributed it and forwarded the coin to ICG.

[brefos77]

Oh, ok. Thanks for replying. I should be getting it back soon enough. I won't be home anyway to get it. I've got training (guns, hand to hand combat, chemical, etc.) to do all month. I guess I'll get one of those little cards from the post office and go pick it up at a later date.

[Steven]

I won't be home anyway to get it. I've got training (guns, hand to hand combat, chemical, etc.) to do all month.

You might want to wait just a bit longer rather than to go to all that trouble getting your coin back.:LOL_Hair:

Steven

[Pat]

Oh, ok. Thanks for replying. I should be getting it back soon enough. I won't be home anyway to get it. I've got training (guns, hand to hand combat, chemical, etc.) to do all month.


I was a cop for six years.. I remember those days..

[brefos77]

You might want to wait just a bit longer rather than to go to all that trouble getting your coin back.:LOL_Hair:

Steven

:tinysmile_hmm_t: haha

[Steven]

I was a cop for six years.. I remember those days..

I was a reserve police officer for about 9 years and working in a prison now for over 21 years. training training training....... Never seems to end. :sad:


Steven

[brefos77]

I was a reserve police officer for about 9 years and working in a prison now for over 21 years. training training training....... Never seems to end. :sad:


Steven

I work at a prison, too! In fact, that's where I found my 1988 transitional. I always carry my loupe and was looking at some pocket change. What state are you from?

[Pat]

I was a reserve police officer for about 9 years and working in a prison now for over 21 years. training training training....... Never seems to end. :sad:


Steven


That's just crazy..

[brefos77]

I got an email from Dr. Wiles today. Here's an excerpt:
"Your coin is indeed RDV-006. It is now listed as die 4, stage A, EDS. I will get it up on www.varietyvista.com (http://www.varietyvista.com) shortly."

[Steven]

Whoo hoo...Alrighty then...:occasion16:

[Pat]

I got an email from Dr. Wiles today. Here's an excerpt:
"Your coin is indeed RDV-006. It is now listed as die 4, stage A, EDS. I will get it up on www.varietyvista.com (http://www.varietyvista.com) shortly."

Congrats on the find.. Now you just need RDV's added to RedBook..:)

[car10]

I got an email from Dr. Wiles today. Here's an excerpt:
"Your coin is indeed RDV-006. It is now listed as die 4, stage A, EDS. I will get it up on www.varietyvista.com (http://www.varietyvista.com) shortly."
Die#4?
Jeff Snow, John Stubbs and I all had one from die #1. Patrick Gaughan's was from die#2. Yours is die#4. That means there is at least one other from die#3 that hasn't been publicized yet. Congratulations!!!

[car10]

In trying to "advertise" the popularity of this coin, I posted it on another forum. All of you who have one ought to show off yours, too.

http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=18005
Make sure you let them know! You might even want to mention this forum while you're there.:tinysmile_hmm_t:

[Brad]

We knew that had to be a new die, because of the "ribbon thing" near the initials. Did he mention that? With 4 dies, there should be 1000's of these things.

[car10]

We knew that had to be a new die, because of the "ribbon thing" near the initials. Did he mention that? With 4 dies, there should be 1000's of these things.
I think I remember numbers of something like 10,000-15,000 useable coins per die. James Wiles or BJ could probably help here. With more coins out there I would think that could only help the popularity of this type of variety and make the value of the lone Denver specimen escalate. Congratulations again Steven. It seems I keep saying that.:LOL_Hair:

[brefos77]

To be honest, I thinks that ribbon thing was a piece of something on the coin. I wiped it with a soft rag before I mailed it off and I think it came off. As soon as I get the coin back, I'm going to take some pictures of it with my QX-3.

[Brad]

Send me the new pics, so I can post them. I knew that looked weird.

[brefos77]

I sure will.
Does anyone have an estimated value of these yet, or are we still waiting for more to show up?

[Shingpumps]

I'll ask the PCGS price guide manager.

[car10]

I sure will.
Does anyone have an estimated value of these yet, or are we still waiting for more to show up?
There has only been one sold so far. It went on Ebay for $157.55 AU raw. That was a month or two ago. As the word gets out about this relatively new variety and it gains popularity the value should increase. I'm very curious to hear what the gentleman from PCGS has to say.

[Shingpumps]

There has only been one sold so far. It went on Ebay for $157.50 AU raw. That was a month or two ago. As the word gets out about this relatively new variety and it gains popularity the value should increase. I'm very curious to hear what the gentleman from PCGS has to say.
He pretty good about answering mail within 48 hours. He ask me was i aware of the variety last time we spoke on the phone. He's the one who bought my first 92d close am.

[car10]

He pretty good about answering mail within 48 hours. He ask me was i aware of the variety last time we spoke on the phone. He's the one who bought my first 92d close am.
I thought the employees of the grading companies weren't supposed to deal in coins?

[Shingpumps]

I thought the employees of the grading companies weren't supposed to deal in coins?
Didn't know that.

[car10]

Didn't know that.
I could be wrong but I thought I read that somewhere. Just so there wouldn't be a conflict of interest or even the appearance of one.

[Shingpumps]

I could be wrong but I thought I read that somewhere. Just so there wouldn't be a conflict of interest or even the appearance of one.
I could see that the case with graders. And especially with price guide employees. I would like to know.

[Shingpumps]

By the way, sorry for jacking the thread.

[car10]

By the way, sorry for jacking the thread.
I didn't think that you had. This thread is about the 1988 transitional coins. We're still on subject, just a tangent.

[brefos77]

You didn't hi-jack. In fact, thanks for the futher education!

[brefos77]

Wow, I am a coin "star"..lol:

http://www.varietyvista.com/1988PRDV0064%20cent.htm

[Shingpumps]

Very nice Brefos. Now I need to find me one.

[brefos77]

I got my cent back yesterday. Here's some more pics I took with my QX3:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/brefos77/fg.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/brefos77/g200-1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/brefos77/g200.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/brefos77/am.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/brefos77/1988.jpg

Brad, feel free to use them on your other site if you like.

[car10]

That must be a relief! Nice pictures.
Who is Bryan? I thought this was Brad's site, unless he sold it already.

[brefos77]

Touche'..Sorry I meant to say Brad. LOL

Yeah, I'm sooo happy to have it back.

[car10]

Andrew Norton from Heritage Auctions contacted me via email last night. He wants me to consign my 1988-RDV-006 transitional coin to them.

[Pat]

Andrew Norton from Heritage Auctions contacted me via email last night. He wants me to consign my 1988-RDV-006 transitional coin to them.

Hey that's awesome..Give it a go!

[brefos77]

What exactly does that mean? (Excuse the ignorance! lol)

[snowman]

what this means is that Dave is gonna be a rich man. :LOL_Hair:

is this variety on the Coneca master list yet ?

[Steven]

what this means is that Dave is gonna be a rich man.


We can say we knew him when he was just David. :LOL_Hair:

[brefos77]

Well...what'$ up Car10? Anything new to report? Just a$king!

[car10]

Nothing new. I'm on a dry streak. I'll just keep searching.

[Pat]

Nothing new. I'm on a dry streak. I'll just keep searching.

David my brother.. I so hear ya.. I've been pretty--well nothing for the last day or so..

[AgCollector]

Nothing new. I'm on a dry streak. I'll just keep searching.

Well, let us know if you decide to sell it... personally, I just found another two in the last two weeks- I'll try to get some photos up soon. I don't think they're from die #1 but I can't really tell many of the markers from the other dies because of wear (especially die #4).

[car10]

Well, let us know if you decide to sell it... personally, I just found another two in the last two weeks- I'll try to get some photos up soon. I don't think they're from die #1 but I can't really tell many of the markers from the other dies because of wear (especially die #4).
It IS for sale. On this site, at the top of the page click on "Places To Go" and then "Trading Post".
Congratulations on your recent finds. I'm still looking. I did find a 1904 IHC
G-4 today.

[car10]

Well, let us know if you decide to sell it... personally, I just found another two in the last two weeks- I'll try to get some photos up soon. I don't think they're from die #1 but I can't really tell many of the markers from the other dies because of wear (especially die #4).

Let us know if you plan on selling them on Ebay so we can all watch and/or bid.

[Steven]

How is is possible to get a value of the 88D with there being only the one found so far and without it having been up for auction or sold. I saw what one of the phillys sold for but there seems to be more and more of them all the time and no more of the Denver. :tinysmile_eyebrow_t
Even if I wanted to sell I have no idea where I would or should start at.
Any help...

[AgCollector]

It IS for sale. On this site, at the top of the page click on "Places To Go" and then "Trading Post".
Congratulations on your recent finds. I'm still looking. I did find a 1904 IHC
G-4 today.

Thanks! And I should clarify- if you decide to consign it, let me know!

[AgCollector]

Here's the second one I found.

[AgCollector]

Here's the third one I found. The close up is a little blurry.

[AgCollector]

Here's the fourth one I found.

[Shingpumps]

You got it goin on AG.

[car10]

Thanks! And I should clarify- if you decide to consign it, let me know!
Will do. I plan on waiting about two or three years. I want to give it a chance to get some publicity, become more widely recognized. Also, by that time I will be looking for tuition money. By the looks of my oldest son's grades lately college is going to be VERY EXPENSIVE.

[Shingpumps]

Will do. I plan on waiting about two or three years. I want to give it a chance to get some publicity, become more widely recognized. Also, by that time I will be looking for tuition money. By the looks of my oldest son's grades lately college is going to be VERY EXPENSIVE.
:LOL_Hair:

[AgCollector]

You got it goin on AG.

Thanks! Now if only I could find all those 1992 close AMs like you!

[snowman]

Im getting very jealous again --->
i havent found anything good in a long time :tinysmile_cry_t3:

the best cent i found this year has been a beat up 1901 Indian head from a bank wrapped roll

[car10]

Im getting very jealous again --->
i havent found anything good in a long time :tinysmile_cry_t3:

the best cent i found this year has been a beat up 1901 Indian head from a bank wrapped roll
Hang tough Jeff, I'm in the same boat. My best find in the past month is a 1994 rotated reverse 165 degrees counter-clockwise badly corroded. I put it up on ebay Saturday. I'm not expecting much though considering its condition.:~

[snowman]

here is my example that all answers on forums are not always accurate

Here is my first post over on the PCGS forum asking about the 1988 RDV cent i found back in May before i sent it to James Wiles a couple weeks later

i was kinda shotdown like a Japanese Zero

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=589813&highlight_key=y&keyword1=special%20here (http://http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=589813&highlight_key=y&keyword1=special%20here)

[car10]

Thanks for not taking their word for it. What did he mean by BUMP?

[AgCollector]

Thanks for not taking their word for it. What did he mean by BUMP?

Usually I've seen 'bump' to mean getting an older thread to the 'top of the pile', so to speak, 'bumping it up', to be rediscussed / reread. But it was only a day after Snowman's question, so I'm not sure if it's the same meaning.

Hey, even Chuck Daughtrey gets it wrong in "Looking through lincoln cents"- he said the reverse was changed in 1988 instead of 1989, so clearly it's only something recent that people have noticed it.

[wavysteps]

At times, small things are over looked. For instance, the reverse master die for 1986 Lincoln cent was different than the one used in 1985 and 1987. Also, the obverse master die for 2000 Lincoln cent was different than the one used for 1999 and 2001.

There are all kinds of small idiosyncrasies that you can find, especially on the Lincoln cent. How many times was Lincoln's bow tie changed? You would be surprised to find out.

BJ Neff

[AgCollector]

At times, small things are over looked. For instance, the reverse master die for 1986 Lincoln cent was different than the one used in 1985 and 1987. Also, the obverse master die for 2000 Lincoln cent was different than the one used for 1999 and 2001.

There are all kinds of small idiosyncrasies that you can find, especially on the Lincoln cent. How many times was Lincoln's bow tie changed? You would be surprised to find out.

BJ Neff

Yeah, I believe it that there are many, many more changes than I ever think about. I wasn't trying to criticize Chuck, just pointing out that only recently (it seems) has there been more attention focused on these kinds of things.

[AgCollector]

Just found it last night- appears to be die #1.

[Shingpumps]

I can't find any. Getting tired of looking for it. But thats when it usually happens

[snowman]

i beleive its a northeast coin where most have been found

i think David has all the locations memorized where they are found

Snowman

[car10]

i beleive its a northeast coin where most have been found

i think David has all the locations memorized where they are found

Snowman

Syracuse, NY
Biddeford, ME (five times)
Woburn, MA
Pennsylvania(die #2)
North Carolina(die #4)
and one location unknown (Al Lawrence reported 1/14/7 (die #3))

[brefos77]

OK. that's 10. How many do we need to get some value info?

[car10]

Once it gets listed in the CPG and then someone is willing to part with one at auction we will see what it will bring. The only one sold so far brought just over $150 for an AU coin. I think a listing in a major publication like the CPG will work wonders for the value.

[AgCollector]

Once it gets listed in the CPG and then someone is willing to part with one at auction we will see what it will bring. The only one sold so far brought just over $150 for an AU coin. I think a listing in a major publication like the CPG will work wonders for the value.

Have you heard for sure it will be listed in the next CPG?

[car10]

Have you heard for sure it will be listed in the next CPG?
No, I haven't. We can only wait and see.

[Brad]

I've only heard of a few coins that have been assigned new Fivaz-Stanton numbers.
FS-01-1956D-511 (1956 D/S WDMM 1)
FS-01-2004-801 (2004 DDR 1)
FS-01-2006-101 (2006 DDO 4)
FS-01-1982-801 (1982 DDR 1)

It will be interesting to see what other varieties make it. Certainly, any variety listed will increase in value.

[Wheat Cents]

Brad,

Is the a place to go to get the new Fivaz-Stanton numbers?

[Brad]

Brad,

Is the a place to go to get the new Fivaz-Stanton numbers?

Do you mean the new numbering system, or the coins assigned FS numbers since the fourth edition?

The new numbering system is in the back of Volume 2.

As far as newly assigned varieties like 2006 DDO 4, I do not know of any specific place to look.

[Wheat Cents]

yes unpublished ...


Guess will wait till another CPG vol is published.

That's why a site like Variety Vista is appreciated..

[AgCollector]

Got lucky this last week and pulled number six: not sure what die it is.

[DWK]

Hey AG! How about leaving some for the rest of us.:~

Congrats (again)

[car10]

Got lucky this last week and pulled number six: not sure what die it is.

You shouldn't search rolls while eating fried chicken. You left a big ole fingerprint on the OBV.:(
Nice find but DWK is right, that's enough for you for a while. We want some others to join the RDV-006 club.

[AgCollector]

You shouldn't search rolls while eating fried chicken. You left a big ole fingerprint on the OBV.:(
Nice find but DWK is right, that's enough for you for a while. We want some others to join the RDV-006 club.

Hah! Yeah, it's unfortunate when you find something in this nice of shape and there happens to be a big old fingerprint on it... still, I'm not complaining!

I had to keep my edge of 50% of the total RDV-006's since Brad found one... so probably I won't find another until someone else does.

[car10]

I had to keep my edge of 50% of the total RDV-006's since Brad found one... so probably I won't find another until someone else does.

That sounds fair.:tinysmile_twink_t:

[car10]

Well, things are looking better all the time for the future of the 1988 transitional variety coins. This week LCR acheived a monopoly of sorts with respect to the variety. With Al Lawrence, the finder of the Die#3 coin and Patrick Gaughan responsible to finding Die#2, joining us here at LCR we now have every known owner/finder of the 1988 RDV-006 variety as members. To be sure this will prove to be an important step in making a coordinated effort to improve the popularity of this particular variety. On that note, I'm hoping that all owners and finders of the coin, if you haven't already, please join the exclusive social group only for the owners of the RDV-006 varieties. That is where future, important updates related to the coins may be posted.
Last night I received a message from John Wexler asking me to send my coin to him to photograph for inclusion in the second edition of The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents, the book that he and Kevin Flynn are currently working on. This combined with the variety being featured in the upcoming issue of Die Variety News Magazine by Billy Crawford are huge strides in gaining much needed publicity for the 1988 RDV-006. These publications should greatly improve the widespread acceptance of the 1988 RDV-006 coins among the variety collecting community.
It's off to the post office now for my favorite coin. Bon Voyage and hurry home.:(
Man, it feels like I'm sending a child off to college or something. He's going to come back a better "man" for the experience. :D
David

[brefos77]

We're going to have to frequent other forums and see if anyone reads the DVNM issue and finds a 1988 RDV-006 and posts their find on their favorite forum. If anyone sees one, then please invite them here. Car10 is doing a great job in keeping us updated and deserves a big pat on the back, especially when this coin hits the roof!

[brefos77]

We have another lucky searcher!

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28997

I sent him an e-mail asking him to join the group.

[car10]

Thanks Brefos.
It looks like it was found in Maryland. I tried to send him a message too but I don't have enough posts on that forum to be authorized to send him a message. Silly rule.

[AgCollector]

The latest die variety news is out, complete with multiple pages on the 1988 transitional variety!

[brefos77]

It's...so...beautiful...

[car10]

Here is the link. (http://home.sc.rr.com/stereo3dgames/Die_Variety_News_Issue_13.pdf) Do Billy Crawford a favor by conserving his computer resources by downloading and saving your copy to read at your leisure. The article says that the author, himself has found one. :occasion16:

[Wheat Cents]

Billy did a great job on that article. Especially the die markers. As I have remarked ...his photos and explainations are top notch.

Probably be good to pull out those loupes and go back and re-examine which of the 4 die pairs are had.

[Wheat Cents]

Here is the link. (http://home.sc.rr.com/stereo3dgames/Die_Variety_News_Issue_13.pdf) Do Billy Crawford a favor by conserving his computer resources by downloading and saving your copy to read at your leisure. The article says that the author, himself has found one. :occasion16:

So dig this... I take car10's advise download Billys latest DVN and read through the RDV info. Then continue reading where he discusses Ken Russell's lastest quarter finds. Read to page 26.. go to my wife's quarter board look at the rev of the her Wyoming P Reverse.. and Wah-La ...



A 2007-P 25c WY CS CDDR-005 !


(I promise I won't post any more picture of quarters,... ):LOL_Hair:

Tried lining the angle up on the shots with the ones in DVN, in case you wish to compare..

[closelook]

hi everyone, I found the latest 1988 RDV-006.

[Steven]

Welcome Louis and condrads on the transitional find. Hope you spend lots of time here. A great group of people on this site.

Come join us at the 1988 RDV-006 (http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/group.php) group

[snowman]

hey just read the article from Billy C

questions - i'm not a big fan of different die sets but reading Billy C's Die Variety News and comparing it to James Wiles Variety Vista info - now i'm really lost

1)is there a match on the die and stages from both web sites
2) what is the difference on die and stages- i thought that was same thing
3) is mine considered #1 for being the first or is Billy considering his #1 ?

Snowman

[AgCollector]

hey just read the article from Billy C

questions - i'm not a big fan of different die sets but reading Billy C's Die Variety News and comparing it to James Wiles Variety Vista info - now i'm really lost

1)is there a match on the die and stages from both web sites
2) what is the difference on die and stages- i thought that was same thing
3) is mine considered #1 for being the first or is Billy considering his #1 ?

Snowman

After looking through it, I do know that the DVN die #1 is the same as your cent and VV's die #1- tell-tale sign is the large die scratch between and below "ST" of trust.

I'm still shaky on stages of that one since I have one with the retained CUD whereas yours has the clash, I'll have to look at mine closer to see if clash remnants exist.

I can't really say any more about the other dies because the identifying photos on varietyvista are difficult for me to match up to the other 3 dies in DVN. The die crack between the memorial and the "I" in united I think could be interpreted to mean that die 4 from DVN corresponds to die 3 from VV.

[Wheat Cents]

To help everyone determine what they have and clear up confusion may could start the 1988 RDV Transitional Variety Project.

I am not kidding but serious...We have quite a few members with this elusive RDV. In fact several new members have already found them . So , maybe see if each member would post pictures from their specimen(s) die markers . Specifically the ones mentioned by Billy in the DVN article and CONECA variety vista site .
However , if a member sees other possible one post those also so as to compare with other posts.

Kind a like a joint attribution y/n? You never know something may be missed. Happens all the time when only a few specimens are examined.

The more the better and the die stage and states can give indications as to how long the entire length of a varieties production run may have been.

It would have to be done systematically with follow though , not rushed along.

However after a few weeks , months or a year.. lots of data would be accumulated...and a clearer picture of the 1988 RDV would develop.

[brefos77]

Sounds good to me. Luckily, for 4 of us we already have those pics handy.
Here's mine:
http://www.varietyvista.com/1988PRDV0064%20cent.htm (http://www.varietyvista.com/1988PRDV0064%20cent.htm)

[Wheat Cents]

Brad ... Could we get RDV pics or links ( as in the case brefos77's RDV) in one location on your web or within the forum? Otherwise a 1988 RDV project it would get unorganized before it gets started and would ultimately lead to failure.

If members want to make a case for this variety's inclusion into CPG and have it really "take off" . This too may be a good way of promoting it? I don't know ... a sucky idea?

[Brad]

I'm all for organizing and collecting pictures of the variety. Should we just start with the 1988 RDV-006 (http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/group.php) group? We can add pictures there. If you want to start a whole new website, Pat is the one to talk to.

[AgCollector]

Brad ... Could we get RDV pics or links ( as in the case brefos77's RDV) in one location on your web or within the forum? Otherwise a 1988 RDV project it would get unorganized before it gets started and would ultimately lead to failure.

If members want to make a case for this variety's inclusion into CPG and have it really "take off" . This too may be a good way of promoting it? I don't know ... a sucky idea?

I think helping each other out is a good idea, and it seems like there are sufficient pictures in DVN to identify a coin as one of those 4 dies; the big problem to me is trying to identify someone else's coin only through their pictures. If the image is not of the same area on the coin, it's hard to do.

Take brefos77's coin, for example- none of the VV pictures are of the same areas as the images in DVN so we don't know if it's die #2, die #3 or another die.

On the other hand, few people look at die # for the 1998, 1999 and 2000 wide AMs and it hasn't affected their popularity.

[dvn]

Thanks for the kind words on my Die Variety News magazine and the 1988 Lincoln Cent Transitional Varieties.

I hope you find it informative and helpful in your collecting endeavors.

Regards,
Billy

[car10]

Thanks for the kind words on my Die Variety News magazine and the 1988 Lincoln Cent Transitional Varieties.

I hope you find it informative and helpful in your collecting endeavors.

Regards,
Billy
It is, by far, the best thing that has happened for the popularity of this specific variety to date. Poor Steven though, his lonley Denver coin.:(

[dvn]

It is, by far, the best thing that has happened for the popularity of this specific variety to date. Poor Steven though, his lonley Denver coin.:(

I'm hoping Steven might contact me in arranging to examine and photograph his D-Mint Transitional variety. If I could examine and photograph it then I would add it to my files and publish it in the next issue of DVN which would even bring more publicity to these most interesting and well deserved varieties.

Billy

[car10]

I'm hoping Steven might contact me in arranging to examine and photograph his D-Mint Transitional variety. If I could examine and photograph it then I would add it to my files and publish it in the next issue of DVN which would even bring more publicity to these most interesting and well deserved varieties.

Billy
I think you'll have to wait until John Wexler returns it to him.:tinysmile_hmm_t:
Steven can let you know for sure though.:D

[dvn]

I think you'll have to wait until John Wexler returns it to him.:tinysmile_hmm_t:
Steven can let you know for sure though.:D

No problemo.

Well, the second specimen I came across earlier today I put up on auction. So, will see what this one brings.

Billy

[car10]

No problemo.

Well, the second specimen I came across earlier today I put up on auction. So, will see what this one brings.

Billy
Cool! That's one to watch.

[Steven]

I'm hoping Steven might contact me in arranging to examine and photograph his D-Mint Transitional variety. If I could examine and photograph it then I would add it to my files and publish it in the next issue of DVN which would even bring more publicity to these most interesting and well deserved varieties.

Billy

Billy, I would be glad to send it for your examination soon as it gets back from John.

[dvn]

Billy, I would be glad to send it for your examination soon as it gets back from John.

Thank you very much Steven for the opportunity to examine and photograph your 1988-D Transitional variety. It is very much appreciated.

Regards,
Billy

[dvn]

So dig this... I take car10's advise download Billys latest DVN and read through the RDV info. Then continue reading where he discusses Ken Russell's lastest quarter finds. Read to page 26.. go to my wife's quarter board look at the rev of the her Wyoming P Reverse.. and Wah-La ...



A 2007-P 25c WY CS CDDR-005 !


(I promise I won't post any more picture of quarters,... ):LOL_Hair:

Tried lining the angle up on the shots with the ones in DVN, in case you wish to compare..

Congrats Wheat Cents! That's great news! Reading my DVN helped in your finding a variety you didn't even know you had. :)

Billy

[Wheat Cents]

Congrats Wheat Cents! That's great news! Reading my DVN helped in your finding a variety you didn't even know you had. Billy

John's article in the April 08 Coin world as well as your's in a back issue of DVN about Mr Russell's daughter DDO discoveries was inspirational. and it is nice to see kids show an interest.

[THE PENNY MAN]

1988P-RDV-006 sells for $356.01

[THE PENNY MAN]

Car10,
You told me about 3 days ago to wait to get mine graded because it is going to be in the redbook for 2009. I was going to send it to James Wiles and give him the funds to send to ICG. But i will hold off until it hits the redbook. And also you said it is going to be in the new cherry pickers guide, when is that coming out i would like to get a copy of it.

[car10]

Car10,
You told me about 3 days ago to wait to get mine graded because it is going to be in the redbook for 2009. I was going to send it to James Wiles and give him the funds to send to ICG. But i will hold off until it hits the redbook. And also you said it is going to be in the new cherry pickers guide, when is that coming out i would like to get a copy of it.

Patrick, that is NOT what I said. Here is an exerpt from my reply to your email:

"These publications will improve the popularity of the variety but when the
> > new, fifth edition of The Cherrypickers Guide comes out will be BIG. If
> > the variety is listed in there thousands of collectors will begin actively
> > searching for it. That will make the value of your coin go UP. The best
> > thing that could happen is if the variety makes "The Red Book". That would
> > be HUGE!!! "

As you can see from this exerpt, I said "IF" it makes the fifth edition of the CPG. I also said "IF" it makes The Red Book. I never said 2009. If you need me to resend the entire email please let me know. I don't know when the new CPG is coming out. I told you to keep checking back at LCR for that information because it is sure to be announced when it happens.

[THE PENNY MAN]

David,
I am REALLY sorry for the misunderstanding i was not trying to get you mad, So if i still send it to James Wiles to get graded it will be OK then?. It would be AWESOME if it does make it into the publications like you mentioned, and it would greatly make the VARIETY really popular and more VALUABLE. I see you have a RED smile face there i do not like to see that and i am VERY sorry.

Patrick

[car10]

David,
I am REALLY sorry for the misunderstanding i was not trying to get you mad, So if i still send it to James Wiles to get graded it will be OK then?. It would be AWESOME if it does make it into the publications like you mentioned, and it would greatly make the VARIETY really popular and more VALUABLE. I see you have a RED smile face there i do not like to see that and i am VERY sorry.

Patrick

No sweat. It's just that I didn't appreciate being mis-quoted in a public forum. Also, I had just woken up from a not very good night sleep. No hard feelings.:D It is entirely up to you what you decide to do with your coin. I can't tell you what is the right thing to do.

[car10]

Well, things are looking better all the time for the future of the 1988 transitional variety coins.
Last night I received a message from John Wexler asking me to send my coin to him to photograph for inclusion in the second edition of The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents, the book that he and Kevin Flynn are currently working on.
It's off to the post office now for my favorite coin. Bon Voyage and hurry home.:(


I received the coin back from John Wexler today. Safe and sound. Whew! More publicity on the way. As soon as anyone notices the second edition of The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents is out please post the annoucement on LCR. I can't wait to spend my money.:D