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I found this 1947 S at the coin show today. It appears to be a rpm, but I'm not 100% sure. It looks like a "sans over serif" variety, but it does not look like my other example which is RPM 4. There is a CONECA "sans over serif" RPM 7. Coppercoins is no help, the pictures of RPM 4 and RPM 7 appear to be the same. Is this RPM 4 or RPM 7....or neither?
Wheat Cents
04-20-2008, 08:12 PM
It is RPM 4 and RPM 7 as they are one in the same.
It is RPM 4 and RPM 7 as they are one in the same.
Now I'm confused. Why would there be two names for the same coin?
Wheat Cents
04-20-2008, 08:26 PM
Well that might not be completely accurate statement I made, depending on one's view. From the point of view of the RPM Book Second Edition they are the same. If you look at the RPM Book Wiles lists them as the same.
However now there seems to be two different listings since the time of the book on the Coneca site which is where I get confused. Reading the info on the site and the info in the book it appears those two reference are not "in sync".
I will email Jose Cortez and see if he can clarify (from CONECA view) if they are different. Hey, he is credited on the site with discovery of the later RPM-007. He'll know what the real deal is regarding that. From the NCADD view the Wexler designated WRPM-006 cross references to both CONECA's 1947-S RPM-004 and CONECA's 1947-S RPM-007. So from that view they are the same.
Most importantly Brad, "it is what it is".
And yours is a Top 100 and in the Cherrypicker's guide - FS 1c -021.31 now matter what name is put on it. And guess what.. the new CPG will most likely refer to it by another # since F & S have redone their numbering system.
Just what we need like 8 numbers (at least ...) for the same coin.:LOL_Hair: got a love it..
Now you are completely confused.. right?
I think I got it now. But I would like to here CONECA's view on things. Why do they have two listings. And the Coppercoins website doesn't really address this either.
Wheat Cents
04-20-2008, 09:06 PM
I think I got it now. But I would like to here CONECA's view on things. Why do they have two listings. And the Coppercoins website doesn't really address this either.
Dr Wiles is a good guy, he'll explain and post an authoratative answer. Either on the CONECA forum or here.
Got'ta remember ..there is a lots of history concerning many early RPMs, several were mis-identified or were the same. The guys early on did not fully comprehend various die stages. Also some RPMs were delisted and the # was re-issued. All kinds of stuff occured. I have so many chicken scratches all over my RPM books to keep it all straight.
Make no mistake about it we all have benifited from thousands of hours these variety pioneers spent peering through loupes and lenses.
Later on will post info about RPMs now known to be the same.
eaxtellcoin
04-21-2008, 07:07 PM
Hello Fella's
Seems you are looking at one of the hard ones.. Well I can help you out!!!
Wheat: Wexler/Bordner does list these seperatly now... Look at The ""HUB""
November/December 2007 / Page #7 top right corner. W006/RPM#4 and W018/RPM#7. I have them both: How there mintmarks were struck and the amount of seperation is the only real easy way to figure out.. The position is almost dead on...
Brad: Looks more like #7. I will attach photo's of mine.... :D
Thanks Eric. I guess I have them both now. Yes!
Wheat Cents
04-21-2008, 09:01 PM
Hello Fella's
Seems you are looking at one of the hard ones.. Well I can help you out!!!
Wheat: Wexler/Bordner does list these seperatly now... Look at The ""HUB""
November/December 2007 / Page #7 top right corner. W006/RPM#4 and W018/RPM#7. I have them both: How there mintmarks were struck and the amount of seperation is the only real easy way to figure out.. The position is almost dead on...
Brad: Looks more like #7. I will attach photo's of mine.... :D
Thanks Eric...was weird but was doing some spring cleaning today and that issue was not with my others , and it was driving me nuts. I have found it and am going through it right now. I see it on page seven/. Looks like the give away is the crack pattern on that left wheat ear. Thanks for the update - no pun intended.
So:
The Wexler WRPM-006 cross references to the CONECA RPM #4
The Wexler WRPM-018 cross references to the CONECA RPM#7
Brad I stand corrected ... if you have RPM#7 as Eric thinks it may be.
It would be 1947-S RPM-007 found in the new update book.
Another reason why these get misidentified in the first place in the old days it seem there was too much focus only on the RPM MM itself and not enough on the entire coin. JB's photos and explanations in the HUB are right on and demonstrate the importance of die markers die stages in correctly identifying RPMs. I have updated my records now too.
This was a fun one to figure out.
Wheat Cents
04-22-2008, 05:33 PM
This was a fun one to figure out.
Yes it was ... and educational .